Question
Finding a Fibonacci recurrence for linear combinations of roots
Original question: If are the roots of and then
My approach: By Newton's thm,
.
Now we’ve got this ugly recursion.
Expert Verified Solution
Key concept: This problem uses a key fact about quadratic roots: any sequence built from their powers satisfies the same recurrence as the roots.
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Key idea
Let the roots of be and . Since each root satisfies
any power sequence obeys the Fibonacci recurrence
So the sequence
also satisfies
That means the target quantity can be rewritten as
Find a cleaner closed form
Instead of computing many terms, use the special identities for the roots. From , we have
A very efficient way is to express in terms of the standard sequences generated by and . Let
Then also satisfies the same recurrence. We can write
but this is not yet the cleanest route.
A better observation is that the recurrence determines from two initial values. Compute
and
Since
we get
Now use the recurrence repeatedly. The sequence follows the Fibonacci pattern:
for , where . Thus
Substitute :
=\frac{360539\sqrt5-89}{2}-55 =\frac{360539\sqrt5-199}{2}.$$ Therefore, $$\boxed{S_{10}+S_{11}=\frac{360539\sqrt5-199}{2}}.$$ ## Common recurrence shortcut Because $S_n=S_{n-1}+S_{n-2}$, you do not need to build $S_2,S_3,\dots$ one by one. Once you know $S_0$ and $S_1$, every later term is a Fibonacci-weighted combination of those two starting values. That is the fastest method for this type of problem. ### Pitfall alert A common mistake is to compute $S_1$ and $S_2$ in a messy way and then continue the recurrence by hand. That works, but it is easy to lose track of signs and coefficients. Another frequent error is forgetting that $S_{10}+S_{11}=S_{12}$ only because the sequence satisfies the Fibonacci recurrence; this identity does not hold for arbitrary sequences. Also, when using $\alpha-\beta=\sqrt5$, make sure the root ordering is consistent with $\alpha>\beta$, otherwise the sign flips and the final answer changes. ### Try different conditions If the problem instead asked for $S_{10}$ alone, the same method would still work: use $S_n=F_{n-1}S_1+F_{n-2}S_0$ and plug in $n=10$. If the recurrence were changed to $x^2-ax-b=0$, then the same idea would produce $S_n=aS_{n-1}+bS_{n-2}$, but the Fibonacci coefficients would be replaced by the corresponding characteristic-sequence coefficients. For example, with $S_n=2025\alpha^n-2026\beta^n$ and roots of $x^2-3x+1=0$, the same structural method applies, but the closed form and recurrence constants would differ. ### Further reading characteristic equation, Fibonacci recurrence, Vieta's formulasFAQ
How do you find a recurrence for a sequence built from roots of a quadratic equation?
If the roots satisfy a quadratic like r^2=r+1, then each power r^n satisfies the same recurrence. Any linear combination of those powers also satisfies that recurrence, so the whole sequence follows a Fibonacci-type rule.
What is the fastest way to evaluate the sum of two consecutive terms in this sequence?
Use the recurrence S_n=S_{n-1}+S_{n-2}. Then S_{10}+S_{11}=S_{12}, and compute that term from the initial values with Fibonacci-weighted coefficients rather than listing many terms.